Improving the Big East - Cincinnati Sports Forums

White Magic · #1 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 08:06 PM

I will indulge the Big East haters a bit here...

Eight teams is not quite enough. Winning an 8 team league is not as hard as winning a 10 or 11 team league, assuming comparable talent. That's just basic math. The Big East knows this too, and the rumors have been swirling for awhile that they're working on how to address it.

The two rumors I hear most often involve Boston College and Central Florida.

Apparently Boston College regrets the move to the ACC and would prefer to be back in the Big East. That's fine by me, because last time I checked they were a credible, traditional power with some historical success. Some people are desperate to see more of that. Plus, I like the idea of going to an away game in Boston at some point. That'd be cool.

Central Florida isn't going to quiet the haters, but my understanding is that UCF is exactly the kind of team that could move into a BCS conference and get going pretty quickly. They're the 3rd largest university in the country (Who knew?) and apparently they have great athletics facilities. They're also in Orlando, which is a reasonably large media market. The only stumbling block would be USF, who would not want to compete with a 5th big Florida school for recruits.

So... What if both teams were added? With 10 teams, would that make for a more respectable conference? Another team up north, a "traditional" school at that, and a new up-and-comer with access to Orlando and all those ridiculous Florida prep stars. Sounds ok to me.

V3n0M · #2 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 08:19 PM

If having extra teams improves the odds that one of those teams can win the Orange Bowl.
Then yeah - it helps!

Franny · #3 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 08:24 PM

Adding UCF would be a PR disaster. The University of Phoenix is the 3rd largest University in America, does that mean they deserve a BCS spot?

Boston College... meh...

The real score would be Notre Dame. They've fallen on hard times, but they are still the University of College Football. Too bad NBC controls the program.

White Magic · #4 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 08:35 PM

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Adding UCF would be a PR disaster. The University of Phoenix is the 3rd largest University in America, does that mean they deserve a BCS spot?

Boston College... meh...

The real score would be Notre Dame. They've fallen on hard times, but they are still the University of College Football. Too bad NBC controls the program.

Come on, be serious. The University of Phoenix isn't even a real school.

As for BC, weren't they like, #2, two short years ago? Matt Ryan?? Hello?

Franny · #5 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 08:40 PM

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As for BC, weren't they like, #2, two short years ago? Matt Ryan?? Hello?

For a week.

No, the Big East does not become respected with Boston College, sorry.

Still giggling at the UCF proposal.

Franny · #6 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 09:00 PM

This joker says add.... Buffalo! Or East Carolina!1!!!

Big East Football Needs to Expand - NESN University - NESN.com

White Magic · #7 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 09:14 PM

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For a week.

No, the Big East does not become respected with Boston College, sorry.

Still giggling at the UCF proposal.

You'd like to see them add Notre Dame? Boston College has done more in recent years than Notre Dame by a wide margin. This thread is just further evidence that in the mind of Big 10 fans attendance garners more respect than actual on-field results.

As for UCF, I'm not touting them as a good team that would make the league more credible. I'm just reporting what I've heard. They seem well-positioned to make a move.... Dante Culpepper baby!

Franny · #8 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 09:19 PM

How would you feel about UC joining the Big Ten? The league needs 12 teams so they can have a championship game. Geographically, Louisville and Cincinnati have no business being in the Big East anyway.

Just need to add 40K seats to Nipper!

White Magic · #9 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 09:26 PM

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How would you feel about UC joining the Big Ten? The league needs 12 teams so they can have a championship game. Geographically, Louisville and Cincinnati have no business being in the Big East anyway.

Just need to add 40K seats to Nipper!

I think that'd be cool. I don't think Ohio State would care for it necessarily. I'm tempted to say I would miss the rivalry with Louisville, but that could continue, as would the Miami game, etc. I think everyone around here, UC and Ohio State fans alike would be happy with that arrangement because everything would get settled on the field annually.

How would you feel about Ohio State joining the Big East?

osu99jp · #10 (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 09:35 PM

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How would you feel about Ohio State joining the Big East?

That would be the worst nightmare of anyone who is sick and tired of seeing OSU play in national championship games.

david aka the TYZ · #11 (**permalink**) 10-21-2009, 03:24 PM

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That would be the worst nightmare of anyone who is sick and tired of seeing OSU play in national championship games.

Well played...

david aka the TYZ · #12 (**permalink**) 10-21-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by White Magic

I will indulge the Big East haters a bit here...

Eight teams is not quite enough. Winning an 8 team league is not as hard as winning a 10 or 11 team league, assuming comparable talent. That's just basic math. The Big East knows this too, and the rumors have been swirling for awhile that they're working on how to address it.

The two rumors I hear most often involve Boston College and Central Florida.

Apparently Boston College regrets the move to the ACC and would prefer to be back in the Big East. That's fine by me, because last time I checked they were a credible, traditional power with some historical success. Some people are desperate to see more of that. Plus, I like the idea of going to an away game in Boston at some point. That'd be cool.

Central Florida isn't going to quiet the haters, but my understanding is that UCF is exactly the kind of team that could move into a BCS conference and get going pretty quickly. They're the 3rd largest university in the country (Who knew?) and apparently they have great athletics facilities. They're also in Orlando, which is a reasonably large media market. The only stumbling block would be USF, who would not want to compete with a 5th big Florida school for recruits.

So... What if both teams were added? With 10 teams, would that make for a more respectable conference? Another team up north, a "traditional" school at that, and a new up-and-comer with access to Orlando and all those ridiculous Florida prep stars. Sounds ok to me.

Boston College would definately add more respectability. I'm not so sure about adding Central Florida, but I guess I could see that they could be the team that could improve easiest based on their size/location. Look what it did for South Florida for anyone who doubts it. The main problem I have with this is adding two teams to the basketball conference. 16 is too many, 18 would be ridiculous. I agree that the NCAA needs to stop the ridiculousness with Notre Dame and force them to join our league or another. I hate the fact that they have the right to our BCS spot when they aren't in our league. Curious as to where these rumors are coming from and how realistic they are to becoming reality and what kind of time-table is involved.

david aka the TYZ · #13 (**permalink**) 10-21-2009, 03:38 PM

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I think that'd be cool. I don't think Ohio State would care for it necessarily. I'm tempted to say I would miss the rivalry with Louisville, but that could continue, as would the Miami game, etc. I think everyone around here, UC and Ohio State fans alike would be happy with that arrangement because everything would get settled on the field annually.

I think Ohio State would do everything in it's power to stop it. I personally don't think the Bearcats would even consider this move (unless some money was thrown their way, which I don't even think is legal.) The Big East is the better basketball conference and honestly they have a better chance of success and thus BCS game $$ by staying in the Big East. At least in the short term. It's too bad the Boise's and Utah's of the world are all out west. They would be nice additions.

bearcat428 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-21-2009, 03:51 PM

this guy doesn't think there is a lot of improving that needs to be done.

Ranking the conferences at mid-season | Mr. College Football

Franny · #15 (**permalink**) 10-21-2009, 04:58 PM

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this guy doesn't think there is a lot of improving that needs to be done.

Ranking the conferences at mid-season | Mr. College Football

This man actually predicted the Bearcats to win the conference, in August!

Breaking down the rest of Division I-A | Mr. College Football

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Winner: Cincinnati. The defending champions lost 10 starters on defense but return quarterback Tony Pike and wide receiver Mardy Gilyard, one of the best in the country. I think Brian Kelly is a very good coach. The fact that the Bearcats COULD win tells you how down the league is this year.

This man appears to be an SEC & ACC homer. He writes out of GA and 90% of his posts are about these 2 conferences.