The Evil that is Obama

[White Magic]

It's no secret that I'm a pretty partisan person, but so are most of the CincinnatiSports.com regulars, even if they try to pretend they aren't. I don't expect what I say here to sway anyone, but this is something about Obama that people need to know.

I try not to be a single-issue voter but it's difficult for me sometimes because I can't vote for someone who's pro-abortion. (I realize these people prefer the term pro-choice.) My opposition to abortion is not religious in nature.

Whatever you believe about abortion, it's clear that something happens at the moment of conception. From my vantage point it's pretty clear that thing is life, though others choose to pretend it's something unknown or indescribable.

Obama's position on this issue is pretty clear. He has a perfect pro-choice, pro-abortion, voting record. But he takes his loyalty to the pro-abortion lobby a step further. Consider the following:

Thrice in the Illinois legislature, Obama helped block a bill that was designed solely to protect the life of infants already born, and outside the womb, who had miraculously survived the attempt to kill them during an abortion. Thrice, Obama voted to let doctors and nurses allow these tiny human beings die of neglect and be tossed out with the medical waste.

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If, as its advocates contend, abortion has to remain legal to protect the life and health, mental and physical, of the mother, how is a mother's life or health in the least threatened by a baby no longer inside her -- but lying on a table or in a pan fighting for life and breath?

How is it essential for the life or health of a woman that her baby, who somehow survived the horrible ordeal of abortion, be left to die or put to death? Yet, that is what Obama voted for, thrice, in the Illinois Senate.

When a bill almost identical to the one Barack fought in Illinois, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, came to the floor of the U.S. Senate in 2001, the vote was 98 to 0 in favor. Barbara Boxer, the most pro-abortion member of the Senate before Barack came, spoke out on its behalf:

"Of course, we believe everyone should deserve the protection of this bill. ... Who could be more vulnerable than a newborn baby? So, of course, we agree with that. ... We join with an 'aye' vote on this. I hope it will, in fact, be unanimous."

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Obama says he opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act because he feared it might imperil Roe v. Wade. But if Roe v. Wade did allow infanticide or murder, which is what letting a tiny baby die of neglect or killing it outright amounts to, why would he not want that court decision reviewed and amended to outlaw infanticide?

Is the right to an abortion so sacrosanct to Obama that killing by neglect or snuffing out of the life of tiny babies outside the womb must be protected if necessary to preserve that right?

A Catholic Case Against Barack - HUMAN EVENTS

His position on this matter is beyond extreme. The abortion lobby is so important to him that he would actually deny medical attention to a child already born?

This is indefensible, and this kind of voting record needs to be exposed. Obama is not a good man.

[White Magic]

Bump.

No responses? 40+ posts on Sarah Palin, but none for the baby killer?

[master_of_muppets]

thank you for this post, WM. i've heard pundits reference this information verbally, but i never took time to find a source or specifics. this is enraging stuff. if someone wants to debate whether life begins at conception, that's one thing (i believe life does begin at conception), but the practices obama has embraced by way of his voting amounts to murder.

[Tedesco]

Abortion as a means of protecting the life of the mother? I can get behind that. Abortion as a means of birth control? Sorry, but no. That's just irresponsible.

Also, can someone be anti-abortion and pro death penalty?

[osu99jp]

Originally Posted by Tedesco

Abortion as a means of protecting the life of the mother? I can get behind that. Abortion as a means of birth control? Sorry, but no. That's just irresponsible.

Also, can someone be anti-abortion and pro death penalty?

I've always found that to be a contradiction - being pro-Life and pro-capital punishment.

I think Tedesco aptly summarized my stance on abortion. It's not something that should be utilized just to prevent one's lifestyle from being inconvenienced.

[Franny]

Originally Posted by White Magic

Bump.

No responses? 40+ posts on Sarah Palin, but none for the baby killer?

I haven't chimed in because I have only heard kooks like Buchanan, Bill Cunningham and Eric Deters screaming "BABY KILLER" as loud as they can when in fact the bill may not be interpreted that way by some. Until I have more facts, I'm not going to be swayed by close-minded people like Cunningham who usually fires off a view without thinking through it first. here is an alternative description of the bill:

The kind of abortion BAIPA really targets is so-called "partial birth abortion," or dilation and extraction, which accounts for less than one-fifth of one percent of all American abortions. It is used most often to end wanted pregnancies in which expectant parents learn their baby will not be viable outside of the womb. During the operation, the fetus' skull is collapsed inside of the woman, after which labor is induced and she delivers the fetus. Difficult stuff, and not a procedure any woman or doctor undergoes lightly or happily. That's why so few of these operations take place each year. But here the fetus is removed intact. Under BAIPA, this would open up doctors and nurses performing dilation and extraction to accusations of delivering "live" babies. It would be almost impossible to make such a claim when the result of an abortion is an aspirated mass of blood and tissue.

What is BAIPA? It's not a bill about babies at all -- doctors are already required to save babies' lives, and any ethical doctor would do so. BAIPA is a bill meant to reshape the language we use to talk about abortion and mislead the public about the possible outcomes of typical abortion procedures

The second bill would have allowed legal action against hospitals, doctors, and nurses that did not provide such care, and is the one pro-choice groups were more concerned about. They worried it would create a climate of fear in which practitioners would not perform abortions or complicated births because of the legal risks.

I don't know enough about the specifics of the bill (and am not even going to read any of it if someone tries to post it here) but I just think we need to be careful before we call someone out as a baby killer. I hope those listening to Cunningham can investigate the issue on their own and come up with their own opinion.

[osu99jp]

Franny, thanks for that. I was going to say something similar - "consider the source" - I'm sorry if I don't automatically trust Pat Buchanan to give me an unbiased write-up on Barack Obama. I'm not pretending to know any more than anyone else on here, but if I was curious what Obama thought about abortion....I'd go to Obama, not a Pat Buchanan editorial.

"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that."

Barack Obama, 4/27/08

[bearcat428]

Also, can someone be anti-abortion and pro death penalty?

absolutely, natural law.

an aborted baby didn't make the choice to commit murder.

[bearcat428]

Originally Posted by osu99jp

but if I was curious what Obama thought about abortion....I'd go to Obama,

that would be a mistake. you need to look at his record to get an accurate picture of his stance. what he's said in the last 6 months or better is, in many cases, different than his record. as marvin just said the other day "i still see better than i hear" his record is very extreme on abortion, however in his campaign he has been pandering to the middle because he knows his real stance will have a very polarizing effect.

[Tedesco]

Originally Posted by bearcat428

absolutely, natural law.

an aborted baby didn't make the choice to commit murder.

So because someone else committed a murder that gives you the right to then decide to take that life? Doesn't make sense. You are either for life, or for the right to terminate life. It shouldn't matter who or when that life is when it is taken.

[bearcat428]

Originally Posted by Tedesco

So because someone else committed a murder that gives you the right to then decide to take that life? Doesn't make sense. You are either for life, or for the right to terminate life. It shouldn't matter who or when that life is when it is taken.

the murderer made the decision, not me. one life is innocent, one is not. it degrades the value of life to simply jail someone for murder.
Pro-life and Pro-Capital Punishment

by your logic, i don't have the right to defend myself or country either. well, i've got a 9mm waiting for anyone that wants to test that theory.

[master_of_muppets]

as it relates to the faith of Christianity, there is a severe disconnect between what the faith lays out and what Americanism lays out.

in Christianity, you cannot be pro-life and pro-death penalty. the well-intentioned "evangelical-right" and Roman Catholic church are absolutely wrong on this one.

there are no man-made laws that can bring true justice to the taking of life. be it abortion or a drive-by, it's all murder, and those involved should be tried, imprisoned, and left to reconcile with their Creator.

true Christianity offers peace and love. i know that sounds all hippy-ish and everything, but i don't know how else to put it.

[Tedesco]

Originally Posted by bearcat428

by your logic, i don't have the right to defend myself or country either. well, i've got a 9mm waiting for anyone that wants to test that theory.

PD Junior, settle down. Nowhere in my post did I say I was taking away your right to defend yourself.

Here is my original post:

So because someone else committed a murder that gives you the right to then decide to take that life? Doesn't make sense. You are either for life, or for the right to terminate life. It shouldn't matter who or when that life is when it is taken.

Maybe I wasn't being clear. How can you support the death penalty, a governmentally funded death program, when you claim to support the sanctity of life? Of course I support the idea to defend oneself in the moment, but say you are on a jury. How can you sentence a man to death if you claim to hold life in such high regard? You can't take the easy way out and say "Well, he's a bad man". You either are for death or against death, in all shapes and sizes.

[osu99jp]

Originally Posted by bearcat428

that would be a mistake. you need to look at his record to get an accurate picture of his stance.

I know what you're saying, and I was more-or-less just using an example by quoting him. I think you would absolutely have to study his voting record to get the clearest idea of his stances. If I truly wanted to get to the bottom of his stance on an issue - in this case, abortion - I'd thoroughly study the resolutions that Obama voted on, not look to opinion pieces by Pat Buchanan.

[White Magic]

Originally Posted by Tedesco

Maybe I wasn't being clear. How can you support the death penalty, a governmentally funded death program, when you claim to support the sanctity of life? Of course I support the idea to defend oneself in the moment, but say you are on a jury. How can you sentence a man to death if you claim to hold life in such high regard? You can't take the easy way out and say "Well, he's a bad man". You either are for death or against death, in all shapes and sizes.

No, this position does not hold water. I am anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment, as are many other conservatives. I would not describe myself as Pro-Life because protecting life at all costs is not my priority - protecting innocent life is. To say a hardened death-row inmate and a baby deserve equal protection under the law is absurd. One is a threat to society (or if incarcerated, a drain on society) the other has done nothing wrong. It's apples and oranges.