Vice Presidential Debate Thread: Debate Night in America!

[Franny]

RE: Bearcat428, BIDEN LIES COPIED AND PASTED LIST FROM CONSERVATIVE BLOG

Joe Sixpack will never know because BIG MEDIA won't talk about those lies!

[bearcat428]

Originally Posted by Franny

Joe Sixpack will never know because BIG MEDIA won't talk about those lies!

on what network did you see it mentioned? maybe they could mention 4 or 5 of them and wouldn't kill them.

[Franny]

Originally Posted by bearcat428

on what network did you see it mentioned? maybe they could mention 4 or 5 of them and wouldn't kill them.

All these people Lie Bearcat...

SARAH PALIN’S 18 LIES TONIGHT

1. FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC: Palin said “it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures,” but fact checkers say that’s “Quite A Stretch” And “Barely True,” and that McCain was a “latecomer” to the discussion.

2. FUNDAMENTALS ARE STRONG: Palin tried to say “John McCain saying our economy was strong” but McCain has used the phrase “The Fundamentals Of The Economy Are Strong” At Least 16 Times This Year.

3. PARTISAN POLITICS: Palin said McCain is “known for putting partisan politics aside to just get the job done,” but he has voted with Bush 90% of the time in the Senate and bragged about his support for Bush on important issues.

4. TAXES ATTACK: Palin repeated the attack that Obama voted for higher taxes 94 times, which the New York Times says is “false,” CNN says is “Misleading,” and FactCheck.org says is “inflated.”

5. TOBACCO REGULATION: Palin said to “look at the tobacco industry” as an example of McCain pushing for even harder and tougher regulations. But McCain opposed expanding the SCHIP children’s health insurance program for 5.8 million children because it would increase tobacco taxes.

6. SPENDING INCREASES: Palin said Obama is is proposing “nearly a trillion dollars in new spending,” but didn’t mention that he has also proposed cuts to balance it out, an attack CNN has already debunked as “misleading” and that ignores the far larger cost of McCain’s tax cuts and spending hikes.

7. HEALTH CARE: Palin claimed Obama’s health plan is “government run” which has been widely debunked as a “canard.”

8. HEALTH CARE. Palin says taxes wouldn’t go up under the McCain health care plan, a fact even his own campaign has acknowledged isn’t true.

9. TROOPS: Palin repeated what the AP called the “highly misleading” attack that Obama opposed funding for the troops, and Factcheck.org notes that the same methodology would lead to the same conclusion for McCain.

10. GLOBAL WARMING: Palin said “I don’t want to argue about the causes” for global warming, when she has clearly taken the position that she doesn’t not believe it is man-made.

11. MCCAIN IS CONSISTENT: Palin said McCain” doesn't tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group,” when that is exactly what he has done on immigration, telling Hispanic leaders he was for comprehensive reform instead of the enforcement focused approach he has taken with conservatives.

12. MCCLELLAN NOT MCKIERNAN: Palin referred to the US commander in Afghanistan, David McKiernan as “McClellan.”

13. MCKIERNAN ON “SURGE:” Palin said that did not say a surge wouldn’t work in Afghanistan, when just yesterday he said “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ’surge,’ ” McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a “sustained commitment” to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution

14. KILLING CIVILIANS. Palin said “Obama had said that all we're doing in Afghanistan is air raiding villages and killing civilians and such a reckless, reckless comment and untrue comment again hurts our cause. That's not what we are doing there.” Unfortunately, the Associated Press says that Obama was right in discussing a critically important point about avoiding civilian casualties.

15. TEACHING: Palin said we need to make sure “that education in either one of our agendas, I think, absolute top of the line,” when McCain has repeatedly favored tax cuts for the wealthy over funds for more teachers and class size reduction.

16. PARTISAN APPOINTMENTS: Palin said “You do what I did as governor. And you appoint people regardless of party affiliation. Democrats, independents, Republicans, you walk the walk, don't just talk the talk” when she repeatedly appointed friends and supporters to positions for which they weren’t qualified.

17. FOCUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE: Palin falsely claimed that she was the first governor to form a climate change subcabinet, when at least 28 states had already taken action.

18. DARFUR DIVESTMENT: Palin claimed that “when I and others” found out that the state had money invested in Sudan that “we called for divestment,” when the reality is that Palin’s appointees worked to kill a Darfur divestment plan.

Palin didn't "win" the debate but the Republicans came out big winners because now they can focus on McCain vs Obama instead of dealing with the sideshow that is Sarah Palin. I have a feeling McCain is going to really push the envelope with his attacks during the next debate. He needs to make another splash.

[Tedesco]

Originally Posted by master_of_muppets

palin can hold her own. i hope SNL starts diving into the gold mine of material that obama/biden have on tape. they likely won't because, frankly, they're not that talented.

Palin is a more interesting person to send-up at the moment. That's why she's getting the attention. Don't try to look to deep into it. This isn't an issue about BIG-SNL.

Though I will agree with you that they aren't that talented. The show hasn't been watchable in a long while, and that has nothing to do with their politics. They just have shitty writers.

[bearcat428]

Originally Posted by Franny

All these people Lie Bearcat...

do i need to go past #1? i've posted what mccain said previously, he co-sponsored the legistlation....what the hell...

If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

i guess saying this 2 years ago makes him a “latecomer”

[bearcat428]

i can go on about the gdp growth (#2) or that using the voting stats in #3 obama voted with bush a majority of the time... 60% i think... my point is these are arguable, what the constitution says is not....oh, i didn't even list that one.

[shantyman]