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Tedesco · #1 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 09:41 PM

I really wanted to watch this, but I can't get over Hillary. I can't stand to hear her speak. I know it's not the best reason in the world to dislike someone, but the urge to change the channel and get a recap tomorrow on CNN or MSNBC grows by the minute the more she speaks.

Is anyone else watching this? Care to comment on the debate or is everyone watching Lost on ABC?

Big Red Mark · #2 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 10:13 PM

you sound sexist.

Tedesco · #3 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 10:18 PM

Franny · #4 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 11:17 PM

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Is anyone else watching this? Care to comment on the debate or is everyone watching Lost on ABC?

Everyone should be watching L O S T

bearcat428 · #5 (**permalink**) 02-01-2008, 12:21 AM

it's not her talking that's as bad as when she raises her voice! that sounds like fingernails on a chalk board. how about 4 years of that

I was watching 'the first 48' anyway.

Bandrew · #6 (**permalink**) 02-01-2008, 01:22 AM

I watched it and was amazed. They spent as much time making nice and fawning over eachother as they did addressing topics. I was shocked that they barely discussed the economy and never mentioned the environment one time. It felt like they spent the most time on Health Care, Immigration and National Security. You could tell in the questions and the tone that this was a prep for the General Election. They hit highly conservative topics and kept talking about how either of them would be a perfect candidate. Also the subtleness of CNN pointing out every celebrity in the audience to show the "star power" of the DNC. I admire their idealism, but running peoples lives and assuming responsibility for individuals is NOT the role of the Federal Government.

Hammy · #7 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 11:07 AM

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I admire their idealism, but running peoples lives and assuming responsibility for individuals is NOT the role of the Federal Government.

So may I correctly assume that you are pro-choice and believe that the dogma of any church have no role in the Federal government as well? So long as you are consistent, that's cool.

master_of_muppets · #8 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 12:22 PM

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So may I correctly assume that you are pro-choice and believe that the dogma of any church have no role in the Federal government as well? So long as you are consistent, that's cool.

do we really want an abortion conversation? i can see this turning very ugly. personally speaking, i can't set aside how i tracked the progress of my son's development in the womb. it was fascinating because i didn't realize how early a heart began to beat: 6 weeks.

anyway, as a died-in-the-wool Conservative, i believe we have a big irony playing out on this issue. a court has decided on the most dividing issue of our times, and to me, that is actually injustice. it is so because i believe in letting We The People vote on the issue. i say make it a states-rights issue, and take the Feds out of the equation (consistent with conservatism). let people vote and decide.

Hammy · #9 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 02:02 PM

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do we really want an abortion conversation? i can see this turning very ugly. personally speaking, i can't set aside how i tracked the progress of my son's development in the womb. it was fascinating because i didn't realize how early a heart began to beat: 6 weeks.

anyway, as a died-in-the-wool Conservative, i believe we have a big irony playing out on this issue. a court has decided on the most dividing issue of our times, and to me, that is actually injustice. it is so because i believe in letting We The People vote on the issue. i say make it a states-rights issue, and take the Feds out of the equation (consistent with conservatism). let people vote and decide.

MoM - I agree with you 100% on the states-rights approach and making it a voting issue. The only issue with that is that whichever side lost would referendum it back on the ballot every 2 years, and it would become a prepetual issue.

HilltopperRuss · #10 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 04:00 PM

Let me get this right. You don't want the government telling people what to do with their own body. You and MOM want the right to tell them what to do. What makes the average voter more qualified to say?

Almost sounds like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

millslite · #11 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 04:48 PM

Anyone hungry????

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master_of_muppets · #12 (**permalink**) 02-03-2008, 04:52 PM

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Let me get this right. You don't want the government telling people what to do with their own body. You and MOM want the right to tell them what to do. What makes the average voter more qualified to say?

Almost sounds like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

the aspect of this topic that unfortunately gets eyeballs rolling (or glazed) is that of the three basic principles our nation was founded on: "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" - United States Declaration of Independence.

i do not claim to know precisely when life begins. i have a hunch, but like everyone else on the planet (including scientists who propose theories, but not absolute truth), i don't know for sure. therefore, since no one absolutely knows, both sides of the debate are stuck in a wicked dance.

the nice legality solution would be to put it to a vote. you're not going to change the minds (or few at least) of either side, so i'll take a page from the Darwin theories, and award the decision to the majority (fittest).

the result will be a checkered USA map of states that allow it, states that don't. but i have to believe that it's a far better solution than allowing 9 men and women in black robes to decide either way.

PokerDude · #13 (**permalink**) 02-04-2008, 12:48 PM

Staying out of the life issue...because I feel there is never going to be a really sound good / bad / indifferent end all win win solution to that particular issue...ever....here are my thoughts:

1. Watching bits and pieces of that 'love fest' made we want to puke....it does tell me one thing about the whack jobs on the left though....they are scared. They see the right side...while bickering...not being blabbering slanderous idiots...they fear they have lost part of their voter base.

2. Billary and Osama are scared to death of McCain. Personally attacking the man will result in their demise because they will be destroying an Amercian Hero. He was damn near a whack job himself so he was for or on their side of the fence on several related issues, etc so a debate with McCain will result in...OMG....having to speak with intellect instead of rhetoric on an issue.

3. Billary and Osama and their national health care system ideas....horse shit. That ever happens...my wife dies. And I am being 100% serious...she dies. As the Canadians how that deal works? Not the ones that don't need it...the ones that need it and you never hear from them because they die before they get that "bump looked at" or that "cat scan done", or that "mri done" because some pencil pushing piece of shit "deems it not necessary at this time" 6 mos too late. As those folks how it works. Furthermore....while that would never take place overnight...I really don't want my tax money funding years of useless bullshit on developing a system that takes care of people who refuse to take care of themselves and punishes the ones that TRY to be responsible. It is not going to matter one dime if there is a system like that if the focus is not on keeping those people out of this country that DON'T belong here, and keeping the ones away that want to deliberately hurt people.

4. McCain...while I respect his ability to be a leader. Fighting the good fight when the good fight may not be popular, staying his ground and perservering for his belief...I commend that. That is a sign of a good leader...which is what a President should do...not pander to influence, be able to look people in the face and and say kiss my ass this is how it is getting done....his take on immigration really really bothers me. His issues with tax cuts etc.....makes me hedge. Given a choice between him him and Billary / Osama......wow.

5. Romney...like the guy. Head is in the right place. But his history on taxes etc is not the best...and while I know he has experience in actually hands on running things..and making change, is for the good of the common folk, etc I just can't see the man leading a country...or better yet having the gumption to get involved militarily in anything, and unfortunately that is the world we live in.

So I am really struggling with all of this....but...anything but a left winger.

bearcat428 · #14 (**permalink**) 02-04-2008, 02:03 PM

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anything but a left winger.

with W, we have record spending, illegals flooding into the country and the government is going to send checks out in the mail!!

I don't think I can vote for McCain, so if he's the nominee, I guess I'll stay home.

Bandrew · #15 (**permalink**) 02-04-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammy

So may I correctly assume that you are pro-choice and believe that the dogma of any church have no role in the Federal government as well? So long as you are consistent, that's cool.

Actually...yes. I am considered a moderate (by most conservatives) because I am pro-choice and not against gay marriage...even though I am fiercely conservative on fiscal policy. I think that raising taxes on the rich (like both Dems want to do) is merely propagating class warfare and does no good for the economy (See the Laffer Curve).

Anyway...way off topic.

P.S. I am not trying to start an abortion debate...just my viewpoint.